Host (00:05)
have you gotten to listen to any of the other ones?

Celin (00:06)
I listened to a few. really? cool. Yeah, I listened to the Craft 42 Roaster one and I've never been there, I've been wanting to go. And ever since that I was like, I need to up my coffee game probably.

Host (00:17)
Yeah!

Well, how's your time schedule today? Because we can always, ⁓ it's just around the corner, we could go walk after.

Celin (00:23)
Okay, yeah, I mean I'll have to check because I have my cousin, she's babysitting my kids right now. So, if she's okay, then I'm okay. I have a six-year-old, a four-year-old and a two-year-old.

Host (00:30)
Hey, cool. How old are your kiddos?

⁓ you got a little posse going on.

Celin (00:37)
Yeah, and they're all boys. wow.

It's a crazy household. Yeah.

Host (00:42)
Is your six-year-old in kindergarten or going out?

Celin (00:46)
Well, he's in grade one. I'm also homeschooling them. So it's fun. ⁓ The first year was really challenging, but now that we kind of got a groove, it's Exactly. It's just getting started and then.

Host (00:49)
⁓ I see. Wow.

It's all about that routine. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, so were you homeschooled as a kid?

Celin (01:05)
Well, kind of. I went to school up until grade 10. Grade 10, I was still in school. And then 11, 12, I was home schooled. ⁓ my parents, kind of wanted to try it. And I was like, I'm going to hate it. they said, OK, well, just try one year. And then if you still hate it, you can go back to school for the last year. And I was like, yeah, OK, I'll try one year. I'm for sure going to go back. But then we started it. And I loved it because I was able to finish so much faster than...

Host (01:11)
Okay.

your time so much more efficient.

Celin (01:31)
Like

I was I had a part-time job already like then because I was usually done my school by like around noon Yeah, and I couldn't work and save up some money and yeah, was good

Host (01:39)
So are you from the area?

Celin (01:41)
I am well originally from Germany. was born. I was born in Germany and I lived there till I was 13. Wow. and then I had my 13th birthday here. Yeah.

Host (01:52)
in Kelowna. What brought your parents over to...

Celin (01:55)
I feel like it was a few different things. So my mom, she was a nanny, not here in Ontario when she was in her 20s. And she's always, always wanted to go back. Yeah. And she always mentioned that idea to my dad, but my dad was kind of like, And then they built a house, was a really nice house. And then my mom was kind of like, yeah, that's it. We're not going to move now. This was in Germany. So she was just for a year a nanny in Ontario.

Host (02:01)
Okay.

Is this, sorry, is this in Ontario?

so she's from Germany, came to Ontario for a year and then went back and was like, I want to go back. ⁓ Yet in the meantime, they've built this beautiful house.

Celin (02:23)
Yeah, she loved it.

Well, and then she came

back, then they met, got married, had us kids. They already had three of us. have four siblings, sorry, three siblings. So we had my two sisters. We were born in Germany and they built a house. And but throughout the years, like they've been married for a few years already at that time, obviously.

My mom always said she wanted to go back. My dad said, no, we'll see. And then they built the house and my mom was like, no, we're not going to move now. And then my dad was like, I think a year after they built it, he was like, well, why don't we try move to Canada? And so he had like in the town where we lived in Germany, they had a work fair, I guess they call it. And you could just go there and they had a whole bunch of different places.

Host (02:58)
He's already tired of the house.

Celin (03:10)
where you could just go and sign up for, or like give off your resume. He was in construction. then they went there and I think originally, I could be wrong. I feel like he wanted to go to, he was gonna drop off a resume in Calgary. But my mom was like, oh, I heard Kelowna is really nice. Why don't you try and drop off a resume there? And then he did and he got a job as a railing installer here in town.

Host (03:15)
What did your father do? ⁓

What decade would that have been?

Celin (03:39)
Well, it was 2006 or five. OK. OK. Yeah. anyways, it went pretty fast after that. think two years later we were in Canada then. And during that time, my mom got pregnant again. Surprise pregnancy. And so they moved here and I was the oldest out of my siblings. I was 13 or 12, almost 13.

Host (03:54)
you

Celin (04:02)
sister was 10 and then my other sister was 7, I believe, or yeah, 7. And then my mom found out she was pregnant and by the time we were moving she was 7 months pregnant. Oh wow. So it was a very stressful time I think for all of us. So my brother, he was born here in Canada and we have a 13 year age gap between us.

Host (04:19)
So you like that's a pretty an impressionable time of year. Yeah, like time of life to not only be moving but entirely different country and culture. Yeah, were you game or were you a little bit?

Celin (04:30)
No, I did not want to go. I had all my friends, my school, I didn't want to go. It was kind of the same thing. My parents were like, we'll try it out for two years and then after two years we'll do like a little vote to see who wants to go back. But my parents, always thought it was really important to see different cultures and to kind of make those big changes.

Host (04:47)
Yeah, was just wondering what was life like in Germany for them that they would want to leave? That's just they were adventurous.

Celin (04:53)
they didn't have a bad life? No. Yeah,

I guess they were both born in Russia and so they have gone through like this whole culture change before. I think that was something that they wanted to kind of give us a long to and I'm really thankful for it because after the two years, none of us wanted to go back.

Host (05:08)
Okay, so if you move here when you're 13, you entered public school. Yeah. Yeah. What school did you?

Celin (05:14)
I went to

Dr. Knox Middle School.

Host (05:17)
middle school. Was that when it was at like the Parkinson, right?

Celin (05:20)
Yeah, yeah,

and they were just in the middle of moving to the Glenmore area. So was, ⁓ I think I had one year in the new area in the new school. And then two and then I did one year grade 10 at KSS.

Host (05:32)
And then I went home

school. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So 2000. So then all the internet and all that was there. And yeah. Yeah. That is really cool. I can't imagine your first day going to this new school in an entire. was there some sort of transition program that the district put like, did the school district put you in touch with like other kids or anything?

Celin (05:53)
So they wasn't when I went I think it's changed now because I think there's now a lot of especially Germans too that live here but when I went I didn't know anyone I did have one friend she could also speak German but we didn't we weren't in the same class unfortunately but the school was really good they did they put me in like an ESL program English second language and I mean the first few months I was walking around with a dictionary and trying

Host (06:14)
Oh, so

did you have any?

Celin (06:17)
I spoke no English at all. I mean we learned in school but I mean what do know as a 12 year old?

Host (06:21)
Probably as much

as I know of my second language is that I learned in Well, I shouldn't say nothing, but like essentially nothing. wow. Yeah. my goodness. Okay, so you're in school. So if you weren't considered citizens back then, so then did you have to pay international student fees for you to attend public school?

Celin (06:24)
Exactly.

No, I don't think we had to pay any fees. We were permanent residents. first I worked visa and then permanent residence. And with that you can attend public school.

Host (06:48)
Because I know they

make, I know this district makes a lot of money off of international students.

Celin (06:53)
Yeah, I think that's when

they just come for a year, like an exchange.

Host (06:56)
Yeah.

Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. So you've gone to school for a year, you're doing your homeschool, and then did all of your siblings choose to do homeschooling?

Celin (07:05)
They did all tried for a little bit. One of my sisters, she was like, no, that's not for me. And she went back to school. But all of us, we liked it.

Host (07:10)
Yeah.

Were you into things outside of school that kind of, so you were able to keep, well you said you had a part-time job, like some social aspect in your life?

Celin (07:20)
Yeah,

I mean, we've always been really involved in church and I think that's kind of like youth group and that kind of.

Host (07:25)
So you had that

element of other kids and all that.

Celin (07:28)
We

always had our fun for sure. People are always worried about the social aspect, but ⁓ I think the transition is hard. yeah, after, mean, like I said, we had our church and our youth group and we always hung out with my friends.

Host (07:31)
Yeah. Oil.

Yeah,

you know that like I was a school teacher for 15 years. But like if you have the ability to, it depends on your personality, like you said, for like being homeschooled.

Celin (07:49)
another

Host (07:57)
If you're disciplined, you can get through stuff so much faster. You got 30 kids in the class, you have a question, you gotta wait, there's only one teacher. Well, when you're homeschooled, it's all like, you can do it on your timeline as opposed to you waiting for the class to catch up.

Celin (08:12)
And my sister, I mean, she's always been way more disciplined than me. And she managed to do grade 11 and 12 in one year. I mean, that shows you how much time is wasted or can be because not wasted, but it's Yeah. And just, yeah, because you have to wait for everybody.

Host (08:24)
That's the way the system is set up.

And especially

your courses, like your math. Were you in math science at all? Yeah. Yeah, because you can with instead of having this gap, like if you take a math at the beginning of one year, well, it depends on how the school set up. I went to a camp and you had semester. Yeah. So you did it for half a year and then after Christmas.

Celin (08:46)
changed.

Host (08:48)
So if you did

math in the spring or in the fall beginning of the one year and then didn't take it to the end of the next year, you've gone an entire year without losing all of your fundamentals. And so if you're at home, you can take a consecutive and you can just keep rolling with the concepts.

Celin (09:03)
And I find it really interesting now homeschooling my kids, seeing their strengths and weaknesses, because I can, it's just me and my kids, so I can really focus on, for example, he has a hard time reading, or not hard, he doesn't like it. So we just spend a lot more time, you know, slowly getting and making it fun and, know, and I have more time than a teacher would like the one-on-one time, right?

Host (09:25)
Yeah, well,

yeah, and if they have a subject that they're whizzy at, you can breeze through it, then you can tailor the rest of the time for something they're struggling in. yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I'm happy that works for you. So what do your other two kids do while you're... or is the four-year-old kind of getting ahead?

Celin (09:33)
Perfect.

Yeah, he really wanted to to start he'll be five now in the summer. Okay He was begging me already when he was like three and I was like, no you're way too young And then with four we started it's nothing like when I say homeschool. It's like 10 minutes

Host (09:54)
your garden things

right like your concepts and all that and the other cool thing is do you take summer's off or do you go all year or something?

Celin (10:01)
Like I try and keep up with the reading for sure because that's like one thing that I think it just gets lost so quickly.

Host (10:08)
I do feel summer break is such an archaic thing. People strongly disagree, think, but go 12 months and space it out more. Exactly. However you want to do it. We're not farmers anymore. Or most of us.

Celin (10:17)
And I think that's kind of my answer.

Exactly,

yeah, that's my attitude too. It's like we often take times throughout the year just for field trips or fun things, know, Davidson Orchard or in the summer we go to the beach, but then we don't just stop completely. We'll just, you know, maybe do a couple days during the summer, not full time, but we don't stop completely.

Host (10:37)
Yeah, that's

really cool. Okay so after you after you graduated at home, where did you work part-time during that?

Celin (10:44)
I worked, do you remember Payless Shoes?

Host (10:47)
I do remember paleo. Wait,

you say that as if are they no longer?

Celin (10:50)
Not here. don't know if they're. I think so. think it was in the. Yeah, that's where. Yeah, that's where I worked and they went under. Then I went to. what is it called now? Home Outfitters. They've also gone under. Yeah. So I was there. And then during that time, I went to school for my accounting certificate.

Host (10:52)
Did they like go under? They're the mall. Yeah. Kind of where the Rogers is now. Yeah.

wow, through the college? very cool.

Celin (11:16)
And then I got a job at Oak Ridge. It was called, not a lot of people know. I was like, what's Oak Ridge? It's a little bit, when I say accounting, it's not like your typical accounting. was for books and magazines. it was like.

Host (11:30)
Well,

to become a real accountant takes like eight or nine years. It's a really long, arduous process.

Celin (11:35)
This

was just a certificate and I dated for, I was there for three years, four years I think. Then I got pregnant with my first. During that year, that's when I also met my husband and we got married. We got married 2016 and so it'll be nine years this year.

Host (11:49)
That's what I'm When did the husband enter? ⁓

That's awesome.

Celin (12:03)
He's from Switzerland, actually. So he came just for a year when he was 20 to learn.

Host (12:09)
love this

just for a year is a very common thing in your life. Just a year or two.

Celin (12:14)
And

he came to learn English and we met during that time and then he just stayed. Oh cool. I mean it was a lot of back and forth with visas and everything. Yeah. now he's a citizen too.

Host (12:25)
That's really cool. And what does he do?

Celin (12:27)
He works at Predator Rich. He's a construction manager up there. wow!

Host (12:32)
That's That's really neat. Okay, so you've got your accounting certificate. You're pregnant. So then what happened?

Celin (12:40)
okay, so my husband and I knew we always wanted well, we always wanted lots of kids we said and

Host (12:45)
I mean, like,

you're not going to start with one. You actually knew.

Celin (12:49)
We're like, now we're gonna try and start having kids. And then when I got pregnant, I gave in my notice to my job and they were like, well, you can just come back. And I said, no, I don't think I will because I'm gonna stay home with the kids. And that was always my dream. I had Levi, that's my oldest. he was 10 months, I got pregnant with a second.

That's my middle one. And then I got two years later, pregnant with my third. when he was about maybe a year old, I... was my oldest, then have Owen and then Luca is my youngest. Yeah. Well, actually, I should backtrack because when Owen was a baby, so my middle one.

Host (13:21)
This is your youngest or Levi your. So and Luca was almost a year.

Celin (13:34)
That's when I started baking sourdough.

Host (13:36)
Oh,

the sourdough enters.

Celin (13:39)
⁓

And it was really just more for fun. saw, I was scrolling through Instagram and I saw this beautiful loaf of sourdough that somebody scored in. Yeah, and I was like, I'm going to learn how to do this. that's kind of when it started. so I had a two year old at the time and a I just started.

Host (13:50)
Kind of like the one you brought over today.

Celin (14:01)
Yeah, just for fun baking sourdough. then after a while I was like, you know what, I'm going to try and sell them. And so I baked five loaves and I posted it on our Facebook marketplace, or just a group, know, the community group. And they sold out basically right away. Wow. And but, know, when you post it, you're just so scared because you have no idea what's going to happen. And then I did that again the next week.

Host (14:20)
Yeah.

Celin (14:24)
My husband was like, yeah, that's great. Just go for it. If you think you want to do it, go for it. He's always been very supportive of all my crazy ideas. I just turned onto this little business at that point where I was baking usually twice a week, Wednesdays and Fridays. And at one point, I think I did like 50 loaves or 60 loaves out of just my, it's just my own, like my home kitchen, like nothing special. And then I got

pregnant with my third. So I did it for about two years, I think. Then I got pregnant with my third and every time I'm pregnant, I get so nauseated and so sick. so I had to stop. then I kind of tried to pick it back up when he was a baby, but I just realized it's just so much work.

Host (15:02)
Were you keeping your starter alive? ⁓

Celin (15:04)
Yeah, this whole time.

I kept it alive, but yeah, it was not like when I was pregnant, I didn't want to bake at all. And then it was the summer when he was born and then I didn't want to bake. And then the winter I tried to kind of kick it back up. But I realized if I really wanted to do like a full business with this, I needed to invest a lot of money in a stove and equipment. I wasn't sure if I was really ready for that. And so I put all my baking on hold, basically.

At that point, I just begged for my family and for fun. During that time, I already had my Instagram account, so I was kind of posting off and on. But then I stopped. I decided to kind of focus more on the kids. And that's when I also went back to the accounting place that I told them I'm not coming back. I know they needed help. I was like, well, I don't really want to go into work because I have three little kids. But if there's something that I can do from home.

Host (15:35)
Gotcha.

never came back at.

Celin (15:55)
just, you know, 10 hours a week or so, I would be totally up for that. they were like, yeah, sure. We would love your help. that's when I checked. it worked out really good. And I mean, I've always loved them before being so flexible with me, especially so. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've still worked there now, actually. Yeah. Yeah. From home. and it just happened probably last year that I was scrolling through Instagram again.

Host (16:07)
So that was just like a couple years.

Okay.

Celin (16:18)
Instagram comes up a lot. And I saw the Lake House and that they were offering like cooking and baking. And I was like, well, I wonder if they need somebody to teach sourdough because I have taught sourdough to nothing like official. did host one at my home at my home that was like open to the public. But yeah, and it was quite a lot. had like, I think 20, 20 people in my house for that class. then.

Host (16:19)
you

Yeah.

Celin (16:43)
Just, you know, friends and family wanted to learn. So I had a few classes and I was like, well, I'm just going to see. Didn't even tell my husband. I just messaged them and hey, are you looking for anyone?

Host (16:52)
Check out my score marks on Instagram. Yeah, exactly.

Celin (16:56)
And they're like, yeah, actually we are. so I was like, oh, okay. So I told my husband, he's like, yeah, that's great. Go for it. And then I started there and then I was thinking of quitting my accounting job again. But it turned out that they're actually outsourcing everything to India. So we're all going to be let go anyways. yeah. Which for me was not a bad thing because I was thinking of quitting anyways, but then I was like, well, you know what? I'll help them for the transition. then.

I'll go after. But I know it's hard for lot of people, obviously, because that was their full-time income, right? So that's where I'm still working now. And I'm doing the classes. And I'm trying to kind of create a website or a blog where can share recipes. Because most of my recipes I try and create myself. So I want to get something where I can share it to the world, I guess.

Host (17:48)
So

you are a busy lady. kids. Your job and your baking endeavor. That's good on you.

Celin (17:51)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it is a lot. ⁓

Yeah, some days I'm like, why do I do this to myself? But I feel like I'm one of those people I need a lot going on. Yeah. Like I just seem to do better under that pressure, I guess.

Host (18:09)
Are you looking for kiddo

Celin (18:12)
No,

I think we're done now. you're done? Okay. So that's what I Yeah, I know. It should have been happening now. ⁓ I mean, that was, I think right now we're putting it on hold. I think my husband would like another one or two, but just because I feel, my pregnancies are not easy. mean, I know there's people who are a lot harder than mine, but yeah.

Host (18:15)
I have like the six fourths.

Turn it up.

Well, but that's you can't get go down that road. No, there's always something easier and better. That's bigger small like there's always a comparison

Celin (18:43)
Yeah, for me, feel like we are right now at capacity.

I mean it is getting easier now that they're getting older. I think it was a lot harder when they were like four and you know two and a baby because they in toddlers.

Host (18:58)
Yeah, yeah, I only have two. I can't imagine a third.

Celin (19:02)
It is actually easier in some ways because the third just kind of follows whatever like his brothers are doing. So when I tell like the older to clean up their...

Host (19:11)
We've

heard a lot of say that. then the eldest one is actually old enough to help out. As opposed to when you have two. ⁓

Celin (19:16)
or he helps me so.

I mean,

when I say he does help me a lot, but there's also times where he's, you know, just- He's not helping. But a lot of the times, they do try and help. I mean, yeah, they pitch in a lot. And that was also kind of why I wanted to start this business, because I wanted to show them that, you know, you can also, if once they're a little older, they can help me.

Host (19:36)
Yeah.

Yeah. So was your, I'm trying to put the timeline together in my head here. Yeah. So was your sourdough starting during COVID? COVID thing. ⁓ But not everybody continues with it. That's the difference.

Celin (19:47)
It was exactly ⁓ when everybody was doing sourdough.

Yeah,

that's true, guess.

Host (19:56)
So

can you tell me more about your trial when you started when you first started doing sourdough and kind of trial and airs and bombs you've had I guess you could say with your experiences? Yeah.

Celin (20:07)
Yeah.

Okay, so well, I've always wanted, I've always loved baking. So even when I was a teenager, I've always liked to bake. But never bread, because I feel like that was a different level that I just couldn't get there. And I did try when I was a teenager and I was wasting so much bread. I had to throw most of them away, but my parents are really encouraging. like, no, just keep trying. One day you'll get it.

I I did get it at some point there, but I kind of stopped. And then during COVID, I started up again. I realized I still wasn't gifted in bacon bread. So the first few loaves were, yeah, not really good.

Host (20:43)
And like, did you did you get a starter from somebody? Yes. you make your own?

Celin (20:47)
No,

I did not make my own. I got it from a friend. We're still friends now, but yeah, I got a little bit of hers and I've managed to keep it alive till now. that's pretty cool. Yes, I probably now I've had it longer than like COVID. So she gave it to me a years before, but I was just kind at the back of the fridge and I would sometimes, you know, pull it out. But I didn't really understand how it worked. I didn't, you know, didn't know all the things to sourdough that I know now. But yeah, in during the summer, I was like, yeah, okay, like

COVID, I was like, okay, this is what I'm gonna try and do. And I was, I'm basically self-taught. So I just watched videos, read books and went online and yeah, I just kept baking and baking and baking. And I was like, in my head, I knew I wanted to sell them maybe someday. So was like, I need to know how it is with big batch baking. I wouldn't just bake one or two loaves. I make like 10 loaves right away.

Host (21:37)
You

must have been eating a lot of bread.

Celin (21:38)
Yeah, husband and my kids, they were in charge. Yeah,

and I mean, most, a lot of them I had to throw out at first too, because, you know, they were, yeah, gammy, so like underproofed, so I didn't let them proof long enough.

Host (21:46)
What's wrong with them?

So if it doesn't proof long enough, gets gummy.

Celin (21:54)
gummy, gooey. Yeah, that's when it's like you've been baking it for an hour, but it looks like it's still raw inside.

Host (21:59)
the outside looks perfect, but the inside's gross? Yeah.

Celin (22:03)
And then there's the opposite, the overproofing where it looks great and then you go to score and it just deflates and it's just like a flat diff.

Host (22:10)
like a flaunt. Really? I didn't realize it could deflate like that.

Celin (22:15)
And ⁓ I had it all basically. I all the mistakes that could happen, did happen. But I have to say most of them were, most of my mistakes were when I was already selling them. And so a lot of the times, was really hard because I had orders. At that point I already had orders. Yeah, and so I had to be like, hey, I'm sorry, this one's for free or you can wait till next week and I'm to try again. ⁓

Host (22:32)
Yeah.

Celin (22:39)
It was up in where I live in the community there and they were so gracious with me. Yeah, very patient. That's beautiful. Yeah, so that's why also my name Crawford. live up in Crawford and that's where I figured. exactly. That's where it came from because that's they were my my guinea pigs. guess. That's so cool. Yeah.

Host (22:57)
Cool.

Yeah, so I would imagine bread's a beast. So temperature, humidity. Did you have to experiment with types of flour? Yeah.

Celin (23:06)
But I will have I will say that in Canada the flour is a lot easier to work with than in the States Because our grain here is I guess so much better

Host (23:13)
Well, why's that?

it's not ultra process, GMO or whatever it is.

Celin (23:20)
⁓ well,

I don't know what it has exactly what it comes out. It depends on. But I know for bread, you need a certain protein percentage in your flour. And the protein is from the strength of the grain, I think. Someone's going to be like, no, that's wrong. ⁓

Host (23:29)
⁓ I like what you're saying.

our understanding right now.

Celin (23:41)
That's right.

so the protein percentage is super important when you're making bread. You want a 13 % protein percentage. And I don't know if you've ever paid attention, but if you look on the back of the flour package, it does tell you how much protein is in a gram of serving. And you have to do a little bit of math. But in Canada, almost all of our flour is at the 13 % mark, even all purpose and bread and even the double zero flour. Everything is at the 13 % mark. So you could use any of those to make good bread.

Host (24:07)
interesting.

Celin (24:08)
Well, in the States,

all-purpose flour has only like, I think, 6 % protein. So you can't use all-purpose flour in the States. have to use bread flour. But here, I only use all-purpose flour, and it's been working great. But I mean, when I was baking, like, for sale, like, I had, like, a whole bunch of different loaves. Like, I had whole wheat. I had regular.

Host (24:26)
I was going to ask, do you flavor them at all?

Celin (24:28)
Yeah,

I like cinnamon raisins and I said it like garlic and rosemary that one's our favorite.

Host (24:32)
it smells so good.

Celin (24:34)
So good.

Yeah, so I definitely had like a few different flavors going on. But again, it was hard with just your own kitchen, right? Yeah.

Host (24:42)
Yeah, when they would your fillers would they change like if it's wet like the raisins would then change it all up again, wouldn't it?

Celin (24:50)
Kind of, but for the raisins it's a little easier because you can just mix it in the dough right away and you can see about the garlic is harder because you can't it actually messes up with your fermentation you can't put garlic even though it's roasted but you can't put it in the dough as it's not gonna rise you have to wait until it has risen and then put the garlic in so yeah all those things.

Host (25:08)
put

it in once it's risen without it deflating again.

Celin (25:10)
⁓

You just, when you shape it, so it's No, when it's risen, it's doubled. I divide them and then I shape it into balls to put it in the fridge. And for that, I would flatten it out and I would kind of smear the garlic in and then shape it and then put it in the fridge. it'll still rise. You basically are deflating it to put it in there, but it's, yeah, it still works good.

Host (25:13)
When you flap and fold things.

So you're in your little home. How do you have a fridge space for all that?

Celin (25:39)
yeah, that was, did you buy a second fridge? Yeah, we had a second fridge in the garage. Yeah. Or we still have that one. Yeah. So I'm, I had like a few, ⁓ in my fridge. We have thankfully a pretty big fridge and my kids were pretty small at point at times. So we didn't need to fill it all with food and then the garage fridge. So.

Host (25:44)
Breadfish.

And then when you're baking it, how many loaves at a time can you bake in your oven?

Celin (26:04)
Well, four. So basically two, and then I would have to remove them from the Dutch oven and then put them just on the rack to bake, finish off baking, and then I could put the next two in the Dutch oven. there's a lot of like moving like, yeah, every 10 minutes I had to. Yeah.

Host (26:17)
And obviously the bread's okay with the oven constantly door constantly being open.

Celin (26:21)
⁓ Yeah,

you know what, now I'm having problems with my oven. But that's been now. Yeah, it was like high used for years now. I think I have to get a new oven.

Host (26:31)
So you might have to get a different

opportunity to go bigger or what would you do? What would you look for in an oven for specifically?

Celin (26:39)
You

know what? actually want a steam oven and I can't find it here. So in Germany it's very- ⁓ Is it one where you can actually inject steam? Because a lot of them are- they call steam but you just have to pour some water in them.

Host (26:46)
My mother-in-law's got a steam of it. Okay, let me think about this.

Oh

no no no, you don't pour water in the bottom. She's got like a thing where it will steam it. her meat when she makes, when she used to cook chicken, on the steam setting, everything's so moist. Yeah, oh, I swear, you know what I'm gonna call her. When we walk to Kraftford too, I'll call her. Where did you get your, I swear, there's like a probe or something that I think it comes out of.

Celin (27:00)
Then.

Yeah, and for baking you need steam.

That's good.

And I know.

Host (27:21)
not a probe, but like a...

Celin (27:23)
Yeah,

and a lot of, I get on Europe, a lot of the ovens, it's like a little injector and you can basically fill it with water and then put it in the oven. It'll inject steam off and on. And I've been trying to find something like that and I haven't. So if anyone knows anything, let me know, please. Yes, that's right.

Host (27:40)
I feel like it's got to be there somewhere. We got to able to find one somewhere.

Celin (27:44)
Yeah,

but I also don't want to pay no like 20 grand. Yeah ⁓

Host (27:48)
Yeah, that's a good point.

Celin (27:52)
So yeah, but I know in Germany you can, it's quite common, yeah.

Host (27:55)
it's common.

Thinking of like random things that are common someplace else but not here. We have a very very small laundry room. If you call it that it's our little furnace room. Yeah. But it's you open the door to it but you can't open the door and have the laundry door open at the same time because they they're in the way. So you got to close the door, step through

close the door to the washing machine, step through, close the door to the furnace room, and then open the laundry room. Because it opens up on the left side, like it opens the wrong way. And then you can't bend over or you're gonna hit the water tank and the furnace. it's really really tight. But we did have a washer dryer. And we've, the original washer dryer, I've actually

fixed a few times with the belt and the motor. But it finally got to the point where we had to replace them. And the bearings, like replace the bearings a couple of times. And we're finally, okay, we're done with this. So then we went out, this is just a few months ago, we went out looking for washer dryers. But A, the cost of these things is it's all appliances. It's one thing when they're expensive and you know they're designed to break in five years. You're like. But.

Celin (29:00)
Exactly.

Host (29:01)
And then we came across the- actually it was one of my bosses at work. He was hey we have a washer dryer combo. Yeah. And my mind was blown. I was like, what? He was telling me all about it. It ends up this is like so common in Asia specifically. Interesting. And in Europe, I guess there's like in small apartments. Maybe. Small apartments in England or wherever. Because it's just the size of a washer but it washes and dries.

Celin (29:15)
day.

I've

heard of it when we were looking for ours too, but I couldn't get myself to buy it because I was like, I'm not sure about this. I haven't heard it.

Host (29:33)
I think and you're paying more but we are not being paying two units. You're paying a bit more. Yeah, this thing's life-changing. It's incredible. you put you can put your stuff on before you go to work. Yeah, or at night time. So stuff that needs to be dry, right? Like your sheets or your towels. So you just set it and yes, it takes a lot longer to dry because it's technically a dehumidifier. But you don't have to be there to transfer it over. It will just wash it and dry it.

Celin (29:39)
⁓ good to know.

Automatically. Because how many times do I leave my clothes in the washer all the time? Yeah, exactly.

Host (30:00)
on America.

And so

the cool thing is, you know, it's got like the time delay. So you can set it and then put it on a time delay so that it'll be ready for you at like seven in the morning to take out. And the one thing that really people don't like is that the clothes are still moist when you take them out. But it's this really weird thing because they feel moist. These are not dry. And you take, you'll take the towel out and you literally like shake it and you give it

Celin (30:22)
Yeah.

Host (30:32)
three to five seconds and it's dry. What? So they feel damp still, but they like instantly dry. So I always have it timed so that I'm home. But yeah, so now it's like, you put your stuff on at night, in the morning everything's washed and dried and you can just. Yeah. It's really neat. And it's only half a sock, right? We don't have two machines anymore.

Celin (30:43)
to take them out.

Okay, well if mine breaks, I mean.

Yeah.

Host (30:59)
smart how did we get on how did i get on ⁓ it was something about no it was something about being calm and elsewhere but not in your steam oven my

Celin (31:02)
I know. A plane.

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Right. My dream steam oven that I don't know exactly. That's right.

Host (31:13)
We're going to look into that.

Yeah. So it's cool. ⁓ I do want to talk to you about, have you done it? You've done one at Lake Coast.

Celin (31:20)
What class? Yeah. Oh, no, I've done a lot already. I started in September of last year. And I do one every month. So, yeah. And so I've been only doing the Saur to 101. And now we've added the baguettes, which you're coming.

Host (31:27)
⁓

Okay.

Yes, I'm going to take my daughter to it.

Celin (31:39)
It should be good.

It'll be fun. And I'm hoping that maybe we can add a few more down the road because Sourdough seems to be popular. ⁓ it's amazing. Like what they're doing is just. I didn't know that they were doing

Host (31:46)
It's lake house has a pretty cool setup there. Yeah. you wouldn't know.

upstairs is epically awesome. Yeah. This incredible learn learn to cook kitchen. actually my my mother-in-law went out for like a dinner date night. Yeah.

over in the wintertime in December, to one of their, I can't remember her name. But you know, they cook for you. The theater kitchen. Man, that was cool.

Celin (32:12)
Yes, the theater kitchen.

I love

how they have that. So they have the theater kitchen where you can just sit down and they cook for you and you still can see how they do it.

Host (32:23)
they got the camera

the different camera angles like over top looking down to the side so you can have what and then have the TV so you can see everything they're doing the techniques they're you

Celin (32:32)
It's

amazing. But you can just sit down and relax and just...

Host (32:35)
They bring you wine. You can order drinks. ⁓

Celin (32:37)
Everything.

And then they have the hands on, which is what I do, is just where you're really, you get in there and you get your own, you know, your own oven, your own everything. And you just, you basically follow what I'm telling you to do. So yeah.

Host (32:50)
hands-on like the opportunity to have hands-on I think is pretty cool.

Celin (32:53)
It's different, I think. You know, the hands-on people usually, they are there to really learn, Because they want to do it themselves.

Host (32:58)
Yeah.

Yeah. Well, we have theater, kitchen's cool because you get multiple courses. it's not too often, at least in my of life when we go out and eat. you usually, we usually, we don't even usually order appetizers. we'll just order it. I mean. So to sit down and have this multi-course meal come out to you. You're oh, this is fair.

Celin (33:17)
Yeah, same here.

It

is really fancy. So if anyone hasn't been, I highly, highly recommend it. And it's always amazing. Yeah, for sure.

Host (33:27)
yeah it's a good gift

so okay that so that's me that almost a year and yeah

Celin (33:35)
And the first time was, I was so scared. I was so nervous

Host (33:37)
I was about to say, yeah, you must have been so nervous.

They've

a high standard over there too.

Celin (33:43)
Yeah, I was really, really nervous, but at the end of the class, were like, Swin, that was really great. Excellent. And I was well, if there's anything I need to improve, please let me know. And they're like, no, think you're doing great. That's really cool. And I still get nervous before every class, but not as bad as it was the first time.

Host (34:02)
Because you never

know the people or if anything's gonna go wrong.

Celin (34:07)
And just like

the timeline of things and you just do it like you go through the timeline in your head, but it's always different when you're actually doing because yeah, you don't know how long things will take.

Host (34:16)
something always

comes up. There's that like calm before, either that, that 15 minutes before people show up when you're waiting and you don't really know what to do. You're just ah.

Celin (34:26)
Yeah,

exactly. Yeah, and I thought it was interesting because one of my friends just asked me, I'm just so impressed that you just do all these things and you're not scared. no, actually, I do all these things, but I'm really scared doing all of these. Even coming here on the podcast, I was like, I don't know why I said yes.

Host (34:41)
Oh you're doing great! Yeah well I think it's good to do things that scare you. You get a good like natural dopamine hit too after you know you feel so good you're like oh I conquered my fear. But when you look forward to the future the next half a year to a year what do you what do see?

Celin (34:47)
Yeah, I think so too. That's where we grow.

Exactly.

Oh, that's a great question because I this idea in my head, but I have no idea if it's going to pan out. So like I said, I'm still fairly new doing my own business, so to say, right? And it's a business, but not like, you know, I'm just teaching right now. But my goal is to have a website where I can...

share recipes, but also I still want to do the in-person classes that I have been doing, but I also want to start doing some online classes because I've had a lot of people reach out and see if I would be teaching online classes.

Host (35:37)
Do

mean like, live classes online?

Celin (35:39)
probably first live

and then maybe down the road recorded and ⁓ yeah kind of something like that. I mean that's dreaming big now. That's already hard enough with yeah as it is but doing that and I think I also want to

Host (35:43)
like a masterclass.

⁓ I'm like thinking of lighting. ⁓

Celin (35:59)
really help people with their sourdough because I know a lot of people they try and then something is wrong and then they just give up. And so a lot of people on my Instagram and Facebook they message me because they have certain issues and they can't figure it out. oftentimes when they give me the timeline or what they're doing and they send me pictures, I can usually pinpoint what the mistake was. And so I kind of, I want to kind of incorporate that too kind of, yeah, to help them. But it's just a matter of

Host (36:20)
valuable.

Celin (36:25)
trying to figure out how I'm going to do all that yet.

Host (36:28)
I feel

like that could be an aspect of your website. And then it would also draw people to your website. You know, go on websites now and they have that little like chat with us function. And then you can set it up so that you get dinged if somebody has a question.

Celin (36:37)
Yeah.

Because I yeah, I have to, I want to be personally there. I don't want it to be all the machine and robots, but I'm I would love to talk to people about it and help them.

Host (36:50)
Yeah. And they could like send their photos live to you this is, that's totally doable. I don't know how, but it's totally doable.

Celin (36:54)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think I just realized opening up I was toying with the idea of opening up a bakery and going in you know baking and for people and I just realized right now that's not really I don't think it's feasible but first of all my three little kids and the time I know and and the investment for it too of course so

I have been thinking about how I can make a profitable, so to say, because I've been doing a lot of things, but it's all for free right now. All my videos, everything is on Instagram and Facebook. But I am trying to see how I can make it a little bit of a business. I have no experience with business whatsoever. So yeah, this is like a real new chapter for me.

Host (37:40)
Have

you thought about renting commercial kitchen space so you can expand the number of loaves you make? Like bigger oven, bigger batches so you can sell more?

Celin (37:50)
I have thought about that, but I think right now because my kids are homeschooled so they'd have to always come with me and I'm not really willing to drag them around with me everywhere.

Host (37:59)
Yeah,

which then then that leads to your online making way more sense exactly yeah, think about this. Yeah

Celin (38:05)
That's why my brain is going that way. So like

I said, it's just still very early on, but this is kind of where what I dream about where it could go. ⁓ It's going to take time, but yeah, I'm excited to see where it could go.

Host (38:15)
Yeah.

could you be, no, you wouldn't want to be a traveling sourdough doctor, paramedic, sourdough medic. And then you can show up and help them when they go. Because you'd want to bake in their place with their stuff. If they came to you, then they're not using their oven and their equipment and all those things.

Celin (38:25)
doctor. ⁓

I mean,

I'm mainly helping right just, you people like me, just home bakers who are just, you know, trying to figure it out. And, but I love it. Like, I think it's a lot of fun.

Host (38:50)
cool yeah and then the online thing you can have a bigger reach if that's just local

Celin (38:55)
Yeah, exactly. That's my thought too.

Host (38:57)
yeah, I feel like there's something there. There's definitely something there. Try it for a year or two. That's my mom. That's fine. Anything else you want to, should we talk about or touch on?

Celin (39:02)
No? That's right, exactly. We'll try it. If not, then it's fine.

trying to think now. think that's it. Like I said, it's still very early on and just throwing out ideas, seeing what will work and whatnot. I mean, helps. My husband is just very supportive and I'm just trying things out. And right now, if it's not working, I don't have a big loss. know, I just, yeah, I'll try something else then. exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Host (39:16)
Yeah.

That's a nice situation to be in.

very

cool. Well we could keep this one short and then we have time to go to craft 42. Okay cool let's wrap her up. Go get you a coffee. Okay cool. All right well thank you so much for

Celin (39:41)
of Gittin.

coming on. yeah, well thank you for having It was nice to meet you. Yeah, you too.